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		<title>By: bronxelf</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>bronxelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay- I don&#039;t like the lack of handles either, for practical reasons. But I think if this were converted into *dining* room furniture (like a sideboard, for example), I&#039;d like it a lot more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay- I don&#8217;t like the lack of handles either, for practical reasons. But I think if this were converted into *dining* room furniture (like a sideboard, for example), I&#8217;d like it a lot more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Maynard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was my first impression, possibly from the photography. A closer look shows you&#039;re right about the craftsmanship - but the top edge cutouts sill detract from the look, to me, because it makes it look hurried and unfinished. To me, good workmanship includes fit and finish issues, and those drawer fronts look poorly finished at first glance.

If they&#039;d been neatly squared up and tightly fitted to the cabinet fronts, with some sort of handle (and I don&#039;t care greatly which), it&#039;d look a whole lot better to me.

This is probably greatly affected by my personal taste...but you knew that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my first impression, possibly from the photography. A closer look shows you&#8217;re right about the craftsmanship &#8211; but the top edge cutouts sill detract from the look, to me, because it makes it look hurried and unfinished. To me, good workmanship includes fit and finish issues, and those drawer fronts look poorly finished at first glance.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;d been neatly squared up and tightly fitted to the cabinet fronts, with some sort of handle (and I don&#8217;t care greatly which), it&#8217;d look a whole lot better to me.</p>
<p>This is probably greatly affected by my personal taste&#8230;but you knew that.</p>
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		<title>By: bronxelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronxelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay- they look very, (very) tailored to me, and not rough hewn at all.  In fact, one of the reasons I feel so badly for not liking them is because the craftsmanship is so fine.  Solid wood kitchen cabinets are really expensive. Construction entirely from wood? It&#039;s extremely high end, especially when it looks like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay- they look very, (very) tailored to me, and not rough hewn at all.  In fact, one of the reasons I feel so badly for not liking them is because the craftsmanship is so fine.  Solid wood kitchen cabinets are really expensive. Construction entirely from wood? It&#8217;s extremely high end, especially when it looks like this.</p>
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		<title>By: bronxelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronxelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah-  I&#039;ve just noticed one more thing.  It&#039;s hard for me to tell in the second photo, but in the first one, it seems like there&#039;s really no overhang on the countertop.    That mean that anything that spills or drips there won&#039;t land on the floor. It will drip right down the front of (and possibly inside) those drawers.  Considering there&#039;s a SINK there, one might assume that&#039;s a place where water will be present and messy things will be making their way.  

And of course you have to tell them.  In fact, it&#039;s your very job to tell them, whether they ignore you or not. Often times, repeatedly.  I have to say though, just because you *tell* the client the obvious doesn&#039;t mean they listen.  (back to the design tv hate for a moment)- one of the (endless) downsides of designTV is that there&#039;s a lot of people out there who think that because they have a cable box, it makes them a designer and since it&#039;s their house, they know all, right?

And then they regret it later and you get to do the I Told You So dance, so it works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah-  I&#8217;ve just noticed one more thing.  It&#8217;s hard for me to tell in the second photo, but in the first one, it seems like there&#8217;s really no overhang on the countertop.    That mean that anything that spills or drips there won&#8217;t land on the floor. It will drip right down the front of (and possibly inside) those drawers.  Considering there&#8217;s a SINK there, one might assume that&#8217;s a place where water will be present and messy things will be making their way.  </p>
<p>And of course you have to tell them.  In fact, it&#8217;s your very job to tell them, whether they ignore you or not. Often times, repeatedly.  I have to say though, just because you *tell* the client the obvious doesn&#8217;t mean they listen.  (back to the design tv hate for a moment)- one of the (endless) downsides of designTV is that there&#8217;s a lot of people out there who think that because they have a cable box, it makes them a designer and since it&#8217;s their house, they know all, right?</p>
<p>And then they regret it later and you get to do the I Told You So dance, so it works out.</p>
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		<title>By: bronxelf</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>bronxelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin-   Hi and welcome!  :)

You&#039;re kidding... I think.  I&#039;m not sure, but I think you&#039;re kidding.

In the event you weren&#039;t actually kidding, I&#039;m afraid I have to call bullshit. I&#039;ve done high,  high end/budget kitchen design.  Just because you have lots of money doesn&#039;t suddenly remove your ability/joy of cooking.  It&#039;s not like your bank account one day ticks over a certain amount and all of a sudden you think &quot;whoops.  That&#039;s that, then. No more cooking for me!&quot;  

While you&#039;re entirely correct that there&#039;s a lot of people with the money to afford this stuff that couldn&#039;t cook to save their ass and would only use it to store their restaurant takeout, that&#039;s who they were *before* they had the money too.  They didn&#039;t just become that way then they made their first million.  They were like that their whole lives.  Having money doesn&#039;t take your ability to cook away from you. It just means you can afford a professional working kitchen.  If they loved to cook anyway, all that means is they have the ability to outfit the kitchen of their dreams.

in short, having enough money to afford this stuff != not being able to/wanting to cook.

By the way, if they&#039;re the kind to hire someone to cook for them, their kitchen will get just as messy and worn looking as if they did it themselves. Having your kitchen redone is disruptive even when you have all the money in the world and can skip off to another house for a few months at a go.  No one *enjoys* dumping that kind of cash/time/aggravation in a space every few years.

I&#039;m sure there are people who would be perfectly happy with a kitchen like this, and of course, by necessity they&#039;d need to have the money to afford it.  But there is no correlation between simply &lt;i&gt; having&lt;/i&gt; the money and not using your kitchen as anything more than a museum and a place to store your takeout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin-   Hi and welcome!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;re kidding&#8230; I think.  I&#8217;m not sure, but I think you&#8217;re kidding.</p>
<p>In the event you weren&#8217;t actually kidding, I&#8217;m afraid I have to call bullshit. I&#8217;ve done high,  high end/budget kitchen design.  Just because you have lots of money doesn&#8217;t suddenly remove your ability/joy of cooking.  It&#8217;s not like your bank account one day ticks over a certain amount and all of a sudden you think &#8220;whoops.  That&#8217;s that, then. No more cooking for me!&#8221;  </p>
<p>While you&#8217;re entirely correct that there&#8217;s a lot of people with the money to afford this stuff that couldn&#8217;t cook to save their ass and would only use it to store their restaurant takeout, that&#8217;s who they were *before* they had the money too.  They didn&#8217;t just become that way then they made their first million.  They were like that their whole lives.  Having money doesn&#8217;t take your ability to cook away from you. It just means you can afford a professional working kitchen.  If they loved to cook anyway, all that means is they have the ability to outfit the kitchen of their dreams.</p>
<p>in short, having enough money to afford this stuff != not being able to/wanting to cook.</p>
<p>By the way, if they&#8217;re the kind to hire someone to cook for them, their kitchen will get just as messy and worn looking as if they did it themselves. Having your kitchen redone is disruptive even when you have all the money in the world and can skip off to another house for a few months at a go.  No one *enjoys* dumping that kind of cash/time/aggravation in a space every few years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are people who would be perfectly happy with a kitchen like this, and of course, by necessity they&#8217;d need to have the money to afford it.  But there is no correlation between simply <i> having</i> the money and not using your kitchen as anything more than a museum and a place to store your takeout.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Maynard</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lean toward &quot;wouldn&#039;t, myself...and regardless of who cooks in it, they certainly pay someone else to clean it.

I&#039;m too used to seeing built-in cabinets; these just look like cheap, roughly made crap that someone threw in because they couldn&#039;t afford better. Yes, I know that&#039;s exactly the opposite of the truth, but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lean toward &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t, myself&#8230;and regardless of who cooks in it, they certainly pay someone else to clean it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m too used to seeing built-in cabinets; these just look like cheap, roughly made crap that someone threw in because they couldn&#8217;t afford better. Yes, I know that&#8217;s exactly the opposite of the truth, but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more, now that you&#039;ve explained it. However, as someone who does nothing in a kitchen but pull stuff out of the refrigerator, nuke things in the microwave and eat at what passes for our breakfast nook, it&#039;s fascinating that I&#039;d probably never have considered some of the problems you described. However, and this may demonstrate that I am at least educable, I did realize when you mentioned the raised-feet furniture that there would be major problems with garbage underneath the pieces before reading further.

One quick note. Though you need to keep your ego in check as a designer, I&#039;d guess that you&#039;d consider it responsible to point out potential problems you&#039;ve identified to your clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, now that you&#8217;ve explained it. However, as someone who does nothing in a kitchen but pull stuff out of the refrigerator, nuke things in the microwave and eat at what passes for our breakfast nook, it&#8217;s fascinating that I&#8217;d probably never have considered some of the problems you described. However, and this may demonstrate that I am at least educable, I did realize when you mentioned the raised-feet furniture that there would be major problems with garbage underneath the pieces before reading further.</p>
<p>One quick note. Though you need to keep your ego in check as a designer, I&#8217;d guess that you&#8217;d consider it responsible to point out potential problems you&#8217;ve identified to your clients.</p>
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		<title>By: kitchen design</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>kitchen design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people who can afford this type of kitchen wouldn&#039;t / can&#039;t cook in it anyway!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people who can afford this type of kitchen wouldn&#8217;t / can&#8217;t cook in it anyway!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree - while it looks very nice, that is going to get *so* scruffy and scummy (at least for someone who *uses* their kitchen, like me) so quickly that it&#039;s not funny.  Obviously someone wanted this, and I get the point of the posting.  I just don&#039;t understand why someone wanted this.  Totally different mindset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree &#8211; while it looks very nice, that is going to get *so* scruffy and scummy (at least for someone who *uses* their kitchen, like me) so quickly that it&#8217;s not funny.  Obviously someone wanted this, and I get the point of the posting.  I just don&#8217;t understand why someone wanted this.  Totally different mindset.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://damnedgooddesign.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/keeping-your-self-in-check/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s going to clean under that?&quot; was exactly my first thought. That, and &quot;where&#039;s the rest of my cabinets?!&quot;, really. I mean, the clean upper wall is nice (please, hang some art, it looks naked) but I&#039;ve never lived anywhere that I could afford to give up my upper cabinetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s going to clean under that?&#8221; was exactly my first thought. That, and &#8220;where&#8217;s the rest of my cabinets?!&#8221;, really. I mean, the clean upper wall is nice (please, hang some art, it looks naked) but I&#8217;ve never lived anywhere that I could afford to give up my upper cabinetry.</p>
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